Rs 1,7,60,00,00,00,000 & What can YOU & I do about it?

Dear Indians its our fault to choose leaders of such kind (A.Raja,Shashi Tharror,Suresh Kalmadi,Ashok Chavan Etc.,)and we must obey this all rascals are fully corrupt.If it happens to continue like this then we should not pay any tax to Government this is one way to get our Indian Govt on track and anyway all of our money goes in the pocket of Politicians for their luxurious life.Our Govt must take severe action on A.Raja where the money have gone 1.76 lacs crore? he knows who are involved in this issue and he was refusing to resign from post of ministry.Treat Raja like animal no mercy on Raja & hand him over to CBI automatically he will open his mouth my God 1.76 lacs crores???DMK firmly backing A Raja, the Congress it appears is virtually finding itself in a bind to defend the Telecom Minister.
The Opposition has been baying for the minister’s blood more so after the CAG report which found fault with Raja’s handling of 2-G spectrum deal. We know this party DMK, Congress are totally hand in glove with each other in corruption and we can see blindly.why did P.M & Sonia Gandhi waiting to get decisions from Karunanidhi? Our main motto is to get back our 1.76 lacs crores.Our Govt must investigate serious about this matter and no party must poke their nose in this case and punish hardly all those who are involved in corruption no matter whoever He/She might be.It’s our money dear friends not politicians wake up.

Number numbness threshold is different for different people. For some, it could begin at double digits, for some others, only beyond lakhs and crores. The numbers 30 crores (Boforce?) and 160000 crores (2G) are beyond comprehension for most Indians. Corruption is not a problem because of the numbers involved. Corruption is a problem because of the processes used. If you did not worry about it when the numbers were still within everyone’s comprehension, you would not get much far by worrying about it now. You could always look at the processes and do something about them, but that would involve thinking about the whole society in a sympathetic manner. Mere morality will not suffice. In any case, not many would have the moral authority to point fingers at corrupt politicians. Anyone who has travelled by trains often; has got a passport; has got admissions to colleges and schools will have compromised some or other time. Only those who have never boarded a reserved compartment holding a waitlisted ticket (it is illegal to do so) might have the authority to point fingers at others!

If you look at numbers, and if you come from some ethical hocus focus, politicians could easily trick you. There are many examples to support that thesis. In 2004-5, they made you believe that some of Indian crown jewels were sold cheap by Arun Shourie. Numbers were thrown at people to suggest that the price at which some companies were sold was too low. Dozens of articles were written, committee investigated the issue, and debates made it appear as if there was lot of corruption. After a while everyone forgot about it just like everyone forgot chara ghotala and many other scandals. The divestment happened through proper procedures, but the issue was still reopened for investigations. In most other cases, proper procedures were not followed in the first place, there was corruption, but political expediency dictated the outcome. Even now, good politicians get harassed much more often than the bad ones by using corruption as a tool.

The point is – those who talk about corruption as some kind of moral story, or those who try to link it to the plight of poor people, or those who point to big numbers or bad politicians simply miss the point. Corruption is all about a process. It is not about people, price, or purity.

What extreme poverty forces them to do. This is an article from Tehelka.

“Maariyamma is likely to be killed by her children because they cannot afford her. They will give her a loving oil bath. Several glasses of coconut water. A mouthful of mud. Perhaps a poison injection. She is just one of many old parents in Tamil Nadu dying in this way. But no one blinks at these ritual murders.”

http://www.tehelka.com/story_main47.asp?filename=Ne201110Maariyamma.asp

And the criminals for whom power is a means for corruption and looting the money meant for the ordinary citizens of India are blind to the sufferings of the people. They are on a looting spree unmindful of the sufferings of the deprived citizens of the country on whose behalf they swear day in and day out.

“Your are not appearing for the accused, is it” asks Hon. Court to CBI:

“Opposing a petition by NGO Centre for Public Interest Litigation (CPIL) for the apex court’s monitoring of the 2G spectrum probe, the Central Bureau of Investigation claimed that any such move at this stage would “prejudice” the rights of the accused when they would be chargesheeted. Surprised by the argument, the Bench of Justices GS Singhvi and AK Ganguly quipped, “You are not appearing for the accused, is it?”

The CBI is more concerned with the accused.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/298539/CBI-says-no-to-court-monitoring-probe.html

@Prakash(#9),
No value exists in the context if none judges the value. Nothing in the world is pure black and white. Yet, in real life when court hears on a case, lawyers use reductionism to strip unwanted details and present a dispute as a series of reference points. Similarly, when we are debating on corruption, it is indeed possible to judge it based on the morality, although other factors may be considered if they are made to be seen as relevant.

I do not care what Sonia G or Rahul G or Gadkari wants. The moment I surrender my rights of questioning a politician in the name of loyalty I also surrender my freedom to think. I want Raja to be punished because I have seen that documents presented in V Sundaram’s article were very convincing. If Congress times or it’s pimp editor can come up with similar damning stuff about Reddy brothers in KN too we should raise our voices for prosecuting them. On a side note, why is everybody demanding Yeddurappa’s resignation is beyond me. Everyone should have demanded an investigation into the alleged wrong-doing.

Values are important for an individual, and for a close-knit society. At global level, information does not travel fast enough, is not available easily enough for value judgments to make any sense.
I have heard a globalist argument in so many contexts that now-a-days it irritates me. So you mean that at a global level individual or close-knit societies should not expect to retain morality or structure? Information is needed by a court to make a decision. For a court, it does not matter how it travels. For an electorate, however, it is good enough to demand honest investigation even if there is a tiny scope. In Raja’s case, the scope is not just tiny. And you have not been able to obfuscate that scope with your generalist or globalist argument yet.
Your attempt at obfuscating the question of morality makes me remember the famous Orwellian quote: “Political writing in our times is largely the defense of the indefensible.”

On the other hand, process can be easily checked.
Really? What did the last sixty years of history tell you?
Imagine if passport office procedures were streamlined...
Yes, imagine. Keep doing that. It is resulting into excellent governance.
Values are ethereal. may be for you. Each culture defines a set of values. However, the question of morality is one of the very few values that are common across all the cultures. Do you know why? Because man becomes civilized when they learned that assigning better priority to common good is good for all the individuals in long term. The very definition of corruption (as applicable in governance) stems from that enlightenment. This value is not “ethereal”.
In the world of politics of values, might is always right.
In a tribal society, yes. In a modern society each concerned citizen should make effort to ensure that does not happen. The moment we stop keeping that guard on, the law and order would just crash. No fashionable obfuscation then would enable it to function after that.

It is the social acceptance of corruption that is more disturbing than anything else. Today if you do not give a bribe if asked for you are labelled as a fool and a person who let opportunities slip away by not bribing his way through.